The first program mentioned is really targeted at ERP purchases as you must purchase off the ERP price list. In order to purchase CRM from this same price list, you must be a Dynamics user currently or, purchasing ERP simultaneously. So really not targeted at CRM. Of course, you can always purchase CRM on Open Value Volume Licensing which provides for three payments but this is standard. The second offer is again targeted at ERP migrations from Sage and/or Oracle. I'm a bit confused about the last statement about purchasing stand alone. Customers have always had the option of purchasing CRM stand alone. Did something new come out? Please elaborate. My opinion is MS doesn't have any true CRM offers in market right now and it would be good to have something! Donna